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ekim · 2010-02-05 20:23:08

Hi

Here are 4 Adros. To my eye, they are almost identical vegatatively.

Starting at Bottom left, they came with these labels
1 Hummel's White
2. alstonii (ID by seller)
3. kubosensis
4. no label

The flowers appear different however. Here is the flower of the so-called alstonii. While the upper flowers seem like triflorus, if you look at the lower ones, some look more like Section 1, tho perhpas earlier stage of development.

Here is teh flower of the Hummel's White - like Section 1 to me. Googled H White, pics match mine, but could find no info about the plant.

The kubosensis is virtully the same as H White. Interestingly, all three bloomed the same time. Here they are, the alstonii imposter at bottom with red corolla, the others at top.

All are very vigorous, leafs root very easily and rapidly grow into a good sized plant.
I ma guessing the so called alstonii is actually triflorus, and the other two are hybrids of triflorus with Section 1 plant?

thanks Mike

Apicra · 2010-02-07 18:24:12

Hi Mike,

I don't grow this Adro 'Hummel's White'. Is it the same as 'White Fancy' that Bob Smoley sells? His web site also mentions 'White Spirit'?

The first three plants do appear from the leaves to be the same clone. The fourth (unnamed) has more of a margin at the tip. None are kubusensis.

I think the flowers are both S1 and I agree, look like two different clones are involved. Leaf shpe is closest to A. filicaulis, but usually that has a shorter flower spike, so I cannot give a Latin name ID.

Do you know about the history of Hummel selections? Did he hybridise succulents? Did Hummel have sources in South Africa?

Best wishes,
Derek Tribble,
London, UK

ekim · 2010-02-08 19:51:44

thanks Derek

I know little about Hummel. I do have a number of Aloes and Gastraloes with his name. And one sport of Crassula ovata. The Huntington also has Adro White Fang, very similar and a tad more spotted. Haven't seen its flower.

Curious re the first picture of the flowers above,w here the petals are open. Isn't that unusual for section 1, I thought they were usualy bent back around the tube. Also, saw some pics of a triflorus that resembled thse plants, the pics were similar to DT4968 on p 78 your book. Not same, but close and close to these of mine.

thanks Mike

Apicra · 2010-02-14 20:17:43

Hi Mike,

In the first flower picture above, I interpreted the uppermost flowers as recently opened and not yet recurved, as the older lower ones are. Hence I expect the anthers to be exserted when fully open, as for section 1.

That S4 DT4968 Adro triflorus, illustrated in the Adro Handbook, does have unusually narrow leaves (but not narrow enough to be interpreted as A. mamillaris!). A. triflorus always has gradually tapering leaves. In contrast, your 'Hummel's White' leaves bulge slightly, which could be an influence of A. filicaulis if it is hybrid.

Best wishes,
Derek

International Crassulaceae Network Forum

#1 2010-02-05 20:23:08

Adro Hummel's White, and/or triflorus

#2 2010-02-07 18:24:12

Re: Adro Hummel's White, and/or triflorus

#3 2010-02-08 19:51:44

Re: Adro Hummel's White, and/or triflorus

#4 2010-02-14 20:17:43

Re: Adro Hummel's White, and/or triflorus

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